Post-Rome tech gains. AI

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1 Despite the decline in literacy during the feudal period, numerous highly important advantages in technology occurred. Would you say that Roman Catholic influence and the Holy Roman Empire confederation stabilized society enough to account for these advances in a technological evolution seen nowhere else?

No, the Roman Catholic Church's influence and the Holy Roman Empire's confederation provided important societal stability but do not fully account for the unique technological advances in medieval Europe (roughly 500–1500 CE), nor were those advances entirely unseen elsewhere.

Literacy Decline and Context

Literacy did decline sharply after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, dropping from perhaps 20–40% in urban Roman areas to under 5–10% in much of early medieval Europe, largely confined to clergy. This reflected economic disruption, loss of urban bureaucracies, and reduced need for widespread reading/writing outside religious contexts. By the High Middle Ages (c. 1000–1300), literacy began recovering slowly, reaching 10–25% among adult males in some regions by 1500, driven by trade, universities, and vernacular texts.

Key Technological Advances

Despite this, medieval Europe saw significant practical innovations, particularly from the 10th–13th centuries:

Agriculture — Heavy moldboard plow (turning heavy northern soils), three-field crop rotation (increasing yields by 50%), and horse collars/harnesses (better animal power).

Energy and mechanics — Widespread watermills and vertical windmills (for grinding, pumping, etc.), mechanical clocks (from c. 1280).

Other — Eyeglasses (c. 1286), Gothic architecture (flying buttresses), improved blast furnaces, and adoption/refinement of gunpowder artillery.

These fueled population growth (from ~30 million in 1000 to ~80 million in 1300), urbanization, and economic expansion—what historians call a "medieval industrial revolution" in certain sectors.

Role of the Catholic Church

The Church played a positive, stabilizing role:

It preserved knowledge (monastic copying of texts).

Founded universities (Bologna 1088, Paris c. 1150) that institutionalized learning.

Supported practical innovations (e.g., clocks in monasteries for prayer schedules, cathedral-building tech).

Provided ideological encouragement for mastering nature (anthropocentric view of dominion over creation).

It was not inherently anti-innovation; many advances aligned with Church needs or occurred under its patronage.

Role of the Holy Roman Empire

The HRE (c. 800/962–1806) was a loose confederation in Central Europe, offering some political continuity and protection of Christendom but fragmented by feudal princes. It contributed less directly to tech than local lords, trade networks, or manorial systems. Stability came more from post-Viking/Carolingian recovery and feudalism's localized order than centralized imperial authority.

Broader Causes and Comparisons

The "uniqueness" is overstated. Many advances were refinements or adoptions:

Gunpowder → From China (via Mongols/Islam).

Windmills/paper/spinning wheel → Influences from Islamic/Asian worlds.

Contemporaneous civilizations often outpaced Europe in sophistication:

Song China (960–1279) → Advanced in gunpowder weapons, printing, compass navigation, steel production, and bureaucracy-supported innovation.

Islamic Golden Age (8th–13th centuries) → Led in medicine, optics, algebra, astronomy, hospitals, and preservation/expansion of classical knowledge; transmitted crops/tech to Europe via Spain/Crusades. Europe's edge lay in applying innovations practically (e.g., harnessing wind/water power extensively) amid population pressure and decentralized competition, leading to sustained growth that prefigured later divergences. Stability from the Church (cultural unity) and feudal structures (ending invasions) helped create conditions for experimentation, but demographic recovery, trade revival, and cross-cultural exchanges were equally crucial.

In summary, Church and HRE contributed to a stable framework that preserved and applied knowledge, but the advances stemmed from broader economic, demographic, and diffusive forces—not a singular "nowhere else" phenomenon. Europe's trajectory diverged more sharply post-1400.

The overall technological pace of innovation that affected society as a whole was unmatched anywhere else. In any case, what were some dates of major tech advances between Rome's fall and Gutenberg?

Here are some of the most impactful technological advances in medieval Europe between the fall of the Western Roman Empire (c. 476 CE) and Johannes Gutenberg's movable-type printing press (c. 1450). These innovations, particularly in agriculture, energy, mechanics, and construction, drove population growth, urbanization, and economic expansion from around 1000–1300 CE. Dates are approximate, as many spread gradually.

Agricultural Innovations

Three-field crop rotation (widespread by 8th–9th centuries, originating in northern Europe): Improved soil fertility and yields by ~50% compared to two-field systems, allowing more land use.

Rigid horse collar (widespread in Europe by 9th century, adapted from earlier Asian designs): Enabled horses to pull heavier loads without choking, boosting plowing speed and efficiency over oxen. Heavy moldboard plow (widespread by 9th–10th centuries in northern Europe): Turned heavy, clay-rich soils effectively, opening new fertile lands for cultivation.

Energy and Mechanical Innovations

Vertical windmill (first documented in Europe c. 1185, Yorkshire, England): Harnessed wind for grinding grain and pumping, independent of water sources.

Water mill

Medieval and Early Modern Windmill Technology brewminate.com

Mechanical clock with verge escapement (first all-mechanical clocks c. 1280–1300, in European monasteries and towers): Allowed precise timekeeping, influencing work schedules, science, and daily life.

The role of the mechanical clock in medieval science - Medievalists.net medievalists.net

The role of the mechanical clock in medieval science - Medievalists.net

Other Key Advances

Eyeglasses (convex lenses for farsightedness) (invented c. 1286, Italy): Extended productive years for scholars, artisans, and monks by correcting vision. Flying buttresses in Gothic architecture (emerged c. 1160s–1180s, e.g., in early Gothic cathedrals like Notre-Dame de Paris): Enabled taller, lighter structures with vast windows, revolutionizing building scale.

Physical Demonstration of Flying Buttresses in Gothic Cathedrals | Creative Art of Structural and Civil Engineering casce.princeton.edu

Physical Demonstration of Flying Buttresses in Gothic Cathedrals | Creative Art of Structural and Civil Engineering

Gunpowder artillery (first European cannons c. 1320s–1340s, adopted from Asian origins via Islamic world): Transformed warfare by the late period. These built cumulatively, with many peaking in the High Middle Ages (c. 1000–1300), fueling what some historians term a "medieval industrial revolution" in practical applications.